nb that last comment is Claire Perry talking to the disabled woman whom she watched masturbating on satellite in order to cure her frigidity .... and that is how she talks to the material ... the title of slave would be a promotion ....
nb comments are loading up very slowly on your personal comment page on cif at the m omen i think to slow down flaming over christmas so by the time you get to reply a thread may be closed ....
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You have created work, you have arguably created jobs, but you haven't created productive jobs. The only way to create these jobs is either to tax the rest of the population to pay for this useless activity, which is a waste of money, or use forced labour, which is what the Soviets and the Nazis did, and is now supported by Cameron and Miliband. Its either force the people to work, or force the rest of the population to pay them to work.
Now of course we don't do anything as blatant as getting people to dig holes and others to fill them in, but we do the equivalent, you mention a couple of them yourself, and you will see many more examples if you think about it. Possibly the most famous examples were in Japan, the "bridges to nowhere", Japan's economy stagnated, so they swallowed the Keynesian myth that if you invest in capital projects, the money you give the workers will then spread through the economy and grow it. Japan proves that this is utterly wrong, for those who couldn't see the theoretical weakness in this system we now have evidence. Cheers Japan!
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so the good stuff never came for you then ...Sorry to inform you but it did dahling! I am not one of the "1 per cent" in terms of wealth, but by any objective measure I am in the top 1% of intelligence, doing nicely salary wise and my salary has increased every year since I graduated, including throughout the recession, plus bonus in every year since 2006. My investments have done well in that time too, because I followed the advice of the economists who predicted the crash, and helped me to position myself accordingly. In a nutshell, I'm alright jack, but ta for the concern lol!
for one thing you just contradicted yourself ... someone must be willing to pay them ... you previously said that any fool can create jobs I presume you mean sinecure box ticking jobs or care work for people that are more suited to cleaning tolietz ...Sorry pet, but despite blowing my trumpet about my intelligence earlier, what I know about economics is only partly experience and intuition, most of it comes from reading the best economists, both classical and modern. I am not a good enough original thinker. So you will find that by disagreeing with what I have said, and calling it a contradiction, I am afraid you are not just disagreeing with me but with all classical free market economists. You are on one side of the argument. Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman are on the other. I know whose side I'd rather be on.However let's be kind, you do hint at the answer when you speak of box ticking jobs and so forth. You can create jobs by getting half the population to dig holes, and the other half to fill them in. But you will create no value by doing this. You will create nothing that anyone is willing to pay for, no products, no services. There is no contradiction.
You have created work, you have arguably created jobs, but you haven't created productive jobs. The only way to create these jobs is either to tax the rest of the population to pay for this useless activity, which is a waste of money, or use forced labour, which is what the Soviets and the Nazis did, and is now supported by Cameron and Miliband. Its either force the people to work, or force the rest of the population to pay them to work.
Now of course we don't do anything as blatant as getting people to dig holes and others to fill them in, but we do the equivalent, you mention a couple of them yourself, and you will see many more examples if you think about it. Possibly the most famous examples were in Japan, the "bridges to nowhere", Japan's economy stagnated, so they swallowed the Keynesian myth that if you invest in capital projects, the money you give the workers will then spread through the economy and grow it. Japan proves that this is utterly wrong, for those who couldn't see the theoretical weakness in this system we now have evidence. Cheers Japan!
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very convenient ...
anyway Ill reply to it here ...
"And Cameron has an awful record"
from her original post ...
and then ...
"Sorry to inform you but it did darling!"so Camerons good stuff came for her then so what was she on about in the first place ... who's filling the holes .... how patronising and this is how she talks to her unwillingly trafficked porn stars .... how dare she speak to me like that look at at the way she speaks to people unbelievable who's the pleb ?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/david-cameron-ed-miliband-tv-debates#comment-20133958n
jon lydon is threatening to interfere with my counselling
he's annoyed because he's not allowed to watch my satellite films ...
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Mr Osborne will be pleased, in Queen Elizabeth Land he has found a real world example of equilibrium in an economy.
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"I believe every American has second amendment rights; the ability to hunt is part of our culture. I've had a NRA rating of an 'A' but, you know, enough is enough," Warner said. "I think most of us realise that there are ways to get to rational gun control. There are ways to grapple with the obvious challenges of mental illness"America is not cosy emotionally adept little Britain ... some families claimed to need a gun if they are living in remote and dangerous situations ...
But Carney, when asked what kind of measures the president had in mind, said: "It is a complex problem that will require a complex solution. No single piece of legislation, no single action will fully address the problem."
… never give up there is always somewhere better …
its nothing mysterious to work out what change he had in
mind … armed police … is the point in America … They will keep
the police armed a way to go before the nauseous see sawing stops ….
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@memtitude – liar he’s obviously had a toke …
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“We were impressed by what we saw of the Portuguese depenalised system,”http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20667139
we have no intention of downgrading cannabis
“We are open-minded, we think it’s a decent, thoughtful, balanced report. We will consider it carefully.”
However, there is concern over the growth and prevalence of “legal highs”, some of which are banned, amid a recorded rise in deaths
drugs use is coming down
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in fact he’s been billing up all day …
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Osborne has stolen Miliband’s “squeezed middle”skivers and strivers which one is bunking off
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ammo:I love
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amanus: We love
amantis: You (plural) love
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amantis: You (plural) love
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@WellmeaningBob -
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/408900.html
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“Shame that the muses should be bought and sold For every peasant’s brass.”perhaps not really the same thing or where theres brass theres muck
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It is folly to think we only read it for atl comment
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/dec/01/jonas-mekas-avant-garde-film-interview?INTCMP=SRCH
what are these then 51 - - - some of the comments there were
condemned - - - - and not only by sex addicts in rehab - - -
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A special case arises, however, when the predecessor state was signatory to a human rights treaty, since it would be desirable to hold the successor state accountable to the terms of that treaty, regardless of the successor state's desireshttp://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-spain-key-to-scotland-s-eu-hopes-1-2613465
“Leaving the UK means leaving the EU, and one needs to negotiate one’s way back as an accession candidate. It would take some time and I don’t think it could be done in advance [of the referendum].
Avery’s evidence stated: “For practical and political reasons, they [Scotland] could not be asked to leave the EU and apply for re-admission.”
However, Spain’s foreign minister, José Manuel Garcia-Margallo, took a different view last month when he told the senate in Madrid that, after independence, Scotland would have to “join the queue” and win the support of all 27 member states before being allowed in the EU
Salmond has said he wants Scotland to opt out of the euro and keep the pound while operating in a “sterling zone”
obviously it is not clear then whether the vote has to be unanimous and the terms of succession are open to interpretation if Scotland wants in - - - there is also a question of discrimination and of having to justify a decision to make a veto - - - Spains wrangle with Catalonia is an entirely different matter and nothing to do with Scotland they should not be allowed to bring their squabbles and resentments into it - - - why should Scotland be punished for their internal difficulties that would set a mould for future playground tactics within the EU
anyone fancy writing Spains school report ?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-20155813
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmfaff/writev/643/m05.htm
nah nah nah raspberry up your nose face
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But they said an independent Scotland could be "fast-tracked" into EU membership "if Scottish independence is the expression of the democratic will of the people and if the United Kingdom resolves the matter in a procedurally fair and transparent manner"there you go a roll over, if Scotland wants in, committee decision as to what rolls over all very fluid apparently a fuzzy statute du jour made over tea and crumpet as to which type of marmalade Prince Phillip fancies that day - - - hopefully anticipating the freshest lemon sole later at dinner - - -
4. The EU has no historical precedent for dealing with Scottish independence. The following cases are relevant, but hardly constitute precedents
5. German reunification represents in some ways the opposite of Scottish independence: it was enlargement without accession, whereas Scottish independence would be accession without enlargement. Nevertheless it is pertinent for the Scottish case from the point of view of procedure. Under pressure of the date for reunification, the EU adopted a simplified procedure for negotiation under which the Commission explored with Bonn and Berlin the changes needed in EU legislation, and its proposals were approved rapidly by the Council of Ministers and European Parliament. No EU intergovernmental conference was necessary because there was no modification of the EU Treaties
6. However, for Scotland a modification of the EU Treaties would be necessary, if only to provide for Scottish representation in the EU institutions (number of members of European Parliament, number of votes in Council of Ministers, etc.)
In general one would expect these matters to be solved on a temporary basis by means of a roll-over mutatis mutandis of existing arrangements for the U.K. until the relevant EU rules come up for revision, for example the renegotiation of fishing quotas
nah nah nah raspberry up your nose face
Apples, peaches, pears and plumshttp://resources.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/studentssite/playgroundrhymes.html
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I really don't see whats wrong with this post it doesnt even have any dirty jokes in it , contains relevant observations someone obviously found it threatening in some way ....
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Mr Swinney said it was clear that after becoming independent the country would be negotiating “from within” The minister believed that any talks on agreeing new terms of membership would be completed by 2016. But Scottish Secretary Michael Moore believed an independent Scotland would lack clout over EU membership negotiationshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20623103http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243844/Brussels-says-block-independent-Scotland-automatically-joining-EU.html
“How will they negotiate an opt-out from the Euro? Labour peer Lord George Foulkes told the newspaper: “The EU’s position is that a nation becoming an independent state would have to re-apply for EU membership. “Serious questions now need to be asked as to where these claims came from and what role members of the House of Lords Committee and the UK political parties played in this fabricated story
“This incident shows that these Westminster committees and their inquiries are simply anti-independence propaganda tools, and are not seriously considering the opportunities of independence “The Scottish government will be writing to the European Commission making clear our serious concerns about this incident.”
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momentous thing to fabricate – - – why did the Scottish
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leaving Britain and joining the EU with a willingness to blame
Britain for the grief of breaking away really giving us a tight hug
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of the union. Out of a fire came a frying pan and a scotch pancake
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It is potentially politically damaging, as going back on any promise can be for politicians
failing to meet targets is not the only thing that is politically damaging – - -
But it could also have an economic impact. If missing targets raises concerns about the UK’s credit worthiness, it could become more expensive for the government to borrow money
so austerity is what is applied to rather than by claimants – - – freezing benefits is OK is a technique that is working in France apparently – - – bedsitter (sofa) tax in mansion tax out
Mr Osborne is also is likely to reaffirm his intention to increase the personal tax allowance to £10,000 by April 2015, with a rise in April 2013 already announced. Tax free shares, gas industry
to benefit
all very bitty and un thought out remotely – - – who is going to write his school report – - – George is an intelligent and reasonably well behaved member of the class – - – good at assimilating text and essay writing – - – could think more deeply about the underlying meanings and the needs of the downs syndrome chap sitting next to himself – - -
As well as deficit tackling measures, the chancellor is likely to give details of plans to boost the economy
not alot of detail there – - – how to fertilise the economy where is the poetry or is it having teething troubles/morning sickness
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20550112
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- ok here is my own bit of research on press regulation … going on to look at the right to privacy in the ECHR which maintains there is no absolute right to privacy … actually there is under respect for private and family life … same as any other law which can be compromised in the case of terror suspects and known criminals … you could also bring in a point of law under freedom from torture and degrading treatment … invasion of privacy being a form of such …
http://www.pcc.org.uk/news/index.html?article=ODE1Nw==
Wikipedia
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/human-rights/what-are-human-rights/the-human-rights-act/respect-for-your-private-and-family-life/
so the discussion that should be have more regulation is irrelevant in a way the laws are already in place the point is how do you police something that is so mafia like in its power to behave illegally. It is wrong to film the Duchess or Posh even in the nud … even if David had an affair it is still wrong to film it there is no question about it ogling peoples private parts is sexual assault unless it is consensual which in the case of a journalist with a rather long lens and no shutters is usually not the case … and therefore press regulation is rather like BDSM in the tricksy kind of laws one would need to navigate … you know and I have quite alot of experience now to be able to contribute usefully and impartially to this topic … both in the areas of journalism and BDSM …
and does that mean I am ‘asking for it’ …
9.39pm, 23.55,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/internet-freedom-leveson-ethical-online
But a number of professions have had to demonstrate how they benefit society in the face of allegations of self-interest, marking their own homework and a lack of genuine public interest. Many people are subject to rules but that does not make them all professionals. What marks professionals out is a commitment to certain standards of behaviour, found in ethics and best practice
the court must also have particular regard to ‘any relevant privacy code’. In this instance it is seemingly for the court to decide what is, or is not, “relevant”. It might put an unenviable onus on the CPS if it had to arbitrate between different codes and/or regulatory regimes
They should act appropriately at all times and not tolerate anyone bringing their industry into disrepute. Journalists will be trusted when they are generally perceived as taking their wider duties seriously- that is a bit far fetched in the present time though when the profession is very jungle like with journalists fighting and killing each other over the latest piece of stolen meat basically – - – as I was saying its like trying to regulate the drug trade – - – these people break the law many times in the course of a day as a matter of course – - -
On 31 October the Prime Minister told the House of Commons that what matters most “is to ensure that newspapers can be fined if they get things wrong, that journalists can be properly investigated, and that there are proper prominent apologies.” He added “We know what a proper regulatory system should look like.”Karl Marx argued that:
“The free press is the ubiquitous vigilant eye of a people’s soul, the embodiment of a people’s faith in itself…. It is the spiritual mirror in which a people can see itself, and self-examination is the first condition of wisdom.”- and probably he didn’t mean filming people in the nud on their own roofs you know …. self regulations can mean also to say that such practices are a disgusting perversion …
United Kingdomhttp://websearch.about.com/od/searchingtheweb/p/net-neutrality.htm
Main article: Privacy in English law
As a member of the European Convention on Human Rights, the United Kingdom adheres to Article 8 ECHR, which guarantees a “right to respect for privacy and family life” from state parties, subject to restrictions as prescribed by law and necessary in a democratic society towards a legitimate aim.
However, there is no independent tort law doctrine which recognises a right to privacy. This has been confirmed on a number of occasions
It also includes your right to control who sees and touches your body. For example, this means that public authorities cannot do things like leave you undressed in a busy ward, or take a blood sample without your permission
http://www.pcc.org.uk/news/index.html?article=ODE1Nw==
Wikipedia
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/human-rights/what-are-human-rights/the-human-rights-act/respect-for-your-private-and-family-life/
so the discussion that should be have more regulation is irrelevant in a way the laws are already in place the point is how do you police something that is so mafia like in its power to behave illegally. It is wrong to film the Duchess or Posh even in the nud … even if David had an affair it is still wrong to film it there is no question about it ogling peoples private parts is sexual assault unless it is consensual which in the case of a journalist with a rather long lens and no shutters is usually not the case … and therefore press regulation is rather like BDSM in the tricksy kind of laws one would need to navigate … you know and I have quite alot of experience now to be able to contribute usefully and impartially to this topic … both in the areas of journalism and BDSM …
and does that mean I am ‘asking for it’ …
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/05/internet-freedom-leveson-ethical-online
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/dec/17/barclay-brothers-vat-windfall-bid
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